Whole Dude – Whole Spirituality

SPIRITUALITY SCIENCE – REGULATIVE AND CONSTITUTIVE PRINCIPLES OF PURE REASON:

Regulative Concepts & Principles, Constitutive Concepts & Principles are central to Kant’s philosophy. In the Critique of Pure Reason, this distinction marks the division between the Faculty of Reason and the Faculty of Understanding.

The Understanding is constitutive of the possibility of Experience. All Experience must conform to the Concepts & Principles of the Understanding, which are realized or instantiated in Experience; Experience contains Substances, Causal Connections and so on.

The Faculty of Reason, by contrast, is merely Regulative in relation to Experience. Although Reason too plays an indispensable role in Experience, the Concepts proper to it – the so-called ideas of Reason, such as the idea of God, or the idea of the World as a complete Totality cannot be realized or instantiated in Experience at all. Nevertheless, ideas of Reason still function legitimately to guide empirical inquiry into the objects that can be given in Experience.

We declare, for example, that the Things in the World must be so considered as if they had their existence from a Highest Intelligence. It indicates not how an Object is Constituted but rather, how we, under its guidance, are to seek the Constitution and Connection of the Objects of Experience in general. Thus, Regulative Concept & Principle helps in complete Understanding of the Constitution and Connection of the Objects of Experience.

In its regulative use, Reason guides our work in striving for Knowledge, helping us to correct errors and arrive at more comprehensive insights.

Regulative Principles govern the Existence of Appearance. Such Principles may not be proven since Existence cannot be constituted. For example, man has no ability to constitute Living Matter called Protoplasm while man has general understanding of its constituents. Man may not be able to prove and verify all the Regulative Principles of Human Existence for he cannot constitute Living Matter.

Kant discusses the Regulative Principles of Reason, which determine the limits of Reason.

The Principles that objectively state what is present in the Object itself, that is, what is the Constitution of Appearance. These Principles of Pure Understanding describe standard and necessary Constituents of the World of Appearance. Regulative Principles play no part in determining the Objective Character of the World of Appearance. They are maxims, neither provable nor disprovable and are not to be understood as true or false. They serve to guide our inquiry within Experience and lead us to transgress the limits of Reason from the Conditioned to the Unconditioned. For example, I mentioned several times in the past as to how Human Existence is possible only under the influence of Illusion and not that of Reality of Earth’s Speed.

WHAT IS “PANCHA PRANA?”

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In Indian Tradition, Pancha Prana (Breath of Life or VAYU) is described as Vyana, Samana, Udana, Apana and Prana. The term or phrase ‘PRANA’ refers to air that is in the heart, and the word is generally used to describe the act of breathing or respiration, as a sign or mark of Life. In reality, this air or breath, or VAYU exists in molecules of Hemoglobin contained in Red Blood Cells.

No religious doctrine mentions about Cellular Respiration. But, understanding of Existence and Life will be impossible without examining the Connection between Air, Breath, Vayu, Respiration and Food that sustains Life by providing Matter and Energy drawn from an external source. In Medical Science, understanding of man involves study of Human Anatomy (Structure and Constitution of Cells, Tissues, Organs, and Organ Systems of Human Body), and Human Physiology (Regulation of Functions of various Cells, Tissues, Organs, and Organ Systems of Human Body).

WHEN DOES LIFE BEGIN?

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The understanding of Spirit or Soul begins with knowing as to When Life begins.

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I ask my readers to begin their inquiry by studying the Single, Fertilized Egg Cell which initiates man’s Life Journey. This Cell has Life, has ‘PRANA’ for it performs the vital function called ‘Cellular Respiration’.

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA
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From: Devinder Singh Gulati:

I will qualify my opinion that Spirit is non-material.
There is the Absolute, there is Spirit, and there is Soul.
All three are distinct.
The Absolute is non-material.

Sri Aurobindo uses words like Spirit and Truth in their original significance and assumes the reader knows them, whereas the reader takes them in the linguistic sense.
— For us, Spirit is soul or God, a power that presides over human destiny, as we take government to be a power in the capital.
Spirit, to Sri Aurobindo is the experience of Sat while it tries to objectify. This experience renders Sat into substance. It is out of that substance the world is made. It is difficult for us to distinguish between Spirit, Soul and Being. He explains that Spirit in the transcendent plane is before Time was created and Soul is the Spirit in the Cosmos and Universe.

Spirit is the experience of Sat while it tries to objectify.

There was a time when God was alone, all by Himself.
That is the state of Absolute.
The Absolute is non-material.
The Absolute is referred to as Akalpurkh by Sikhs.

Then God decided to objectify Himself.
He became Spirit; the Universal Godhead.
The Spirit is a substance.
The Spirit is referred to as Karta Purakh by Sikhs.

Spirit comes in the manifestation in two forms.
As a diffuse principle called the Holy Ghost by Christians, and Naam by Sikhs.
As an individuated form called the Son by Christians and Jeev by Sikhs.
Jesus identified with Spirit as Father and Guru Nanak as Karta Purakh.

Soul (delegate of Jeevatma) may or may not be material.
I do not understand this as yet, though I tend to the view it is non-material.

It has qualities of Body, Vital, Mind, and is yet something more.
‘Qualities’ is not the same as ‘composed of’.

Body, mind and life are distinctly material.

For Body, Mind, and life are based on the Gunas.
The Spirit is superior to, or is above the Gunas.
How is spirit a substance and non-material at the same time is yet to be understood.

There was only SAT; pure existence; Akalpurkh.

It became SAT, CHIT, ANAND.
That was the birth of Spirit.
Sat, Chit, Anand is transcendent; i.e. non-material.

The Spirit is transcendent in Christianity.
The Holy Ghost; is it immanent?
Naam is transcendent and immanent.
How does Spirit straddle transcendence and immanence as Father and Holy Ghost?

Gulati

Devinder Singh Gulati dgulhati@yahoo.com wrote:

I have come across a new fact. So I will hold my assertion that soul is immaterial in suspension. This new fact says the soul is solid. Not that it is material or based on material. It says it is concrete. Now does concrete have to be matrial, that is what we have to ascertain.

The word soul is sometimes used for something that is abstract, something that is ethereal, something that is intangible, something that is not capable of being seized upon, something that escapes us, something that seems to be lying above us. Now these words also are not entirely inapplicable to the real soul but they do not indicate exactly what the soul is. First of all the soul is not really intangible as many people believe it to be, the soul is not abstract, the soul is not something that cannot be seized, or that which cannot be grasped. To talk in positive terms the soul is concrete. In fact, when the soul is experienced, you feel that even the solidity of a substance such as a table is not as solid as that. When you really experience the soul, its concreteness is so great that the ordinary idea that the soul is abstract is found to be fundamentally incorrect. It is abstract only in the sense that in our ordinary life we take only material substance to be solid and everything else to be abstract, but actually speaking this matter is less concrete than the soul itself. When you really experience it, you feel the solidity and the stuff of it to be so powerful that it will be even much more solid than a heavy pillar of steel. It is true that it is above all that we know at present but it is also in everything that we know. The soul is present in everything ─ in the body, in our movements, in our thoughts, in our feelings, emotions, impulses, predilections, preferences, attractions, in everything it is present; because actually it is the stuff of which all this is made, so it is bound to be present everywhere.

There is a further capacity of the soul. The capacity to deal with the confusions, doubts and errors of the mind, the capacity to control undesirable desires, to eliminate wrong relationships which one builds up in life, the capacity to overcome the obscurity of the physical, the resistance of the physical and the illnesses of the physical. These three capacities are also present in the soul. It not only has the knowledge of dealing with them but also the skill of dealing with them. You might say that the soul is both like an architect and a mason. An architect is one who designs out of materials a beautiful structure. Similarly, the soul has body, life and mind as materials and the soul knows how to design and harmonise body, life and mind in a beautiful manner and like a mason he can also ultimately construct that beautiful building.
The soul has a further capacity. It can communicate deeply with the souls of others inwardly, without even speaking, even without outer communication. It may use outer communication if necessary but it is not indispensable for it. The telephonic lines of the soul with other souls are very direct.
And finally the greatest capacity of the soul is that it is inherently aware of God. God is, for most people, particularly in modern times, an idea or a belief which is imposed from the outside and most of us doubt whether God really exists or not. But for the soul, God is a living reality. For the soul, the one object that is really real is God. It is in direct touch with God and it can communicate with God, it has the sweetest relationship with God and it can discover what is God’s will and can manifest it.
In the Veda, the greatest discovery that our Vedic Rishis made was the discovery of the soul. The word they used for the soul was Agni and to explain to ordinary people, they said that you must light Agni every day in your house. This is the prescription they gave and they made Agni the centre of the entire Indian life. They said that for every turn of life you have to do a havan, you have to light the fire. They said that if you go inwards, you will discover the soul, which is like a flame, an inner flame, a flame of aspiration, a flame, which always moves upwards. Like fire, it always moves upwards and it is always pure. In fact, impurities can be burnt by fire but fire is always pure. Whatever you might do, fire can never be impure; similarly the soul is always pure. Therefore every human being is basically pure in the soul and if you can really reach the soul of somebody, you can forget all the impurities of outer nature. All the things that we call ugly, wrong and bad are forgotten when we come to the soul plane. It does not mean that every human being in his outer being is pure. But if you really want to establish a true relationship with somebody, you can find in his soul, a real purity in which everything can be burnt away. So, if you really meet somebody at the soul level, the entire past can be thrown out, wiped out. Everything can be forgotten, forgiven, it truly vanishes. The soul is like a slate in which purity remains, whatever else you have written can be rubbed off. That is why the Vedic Rishis compared the soul with only one thing and that is Agni, and that is why they made Agni the centre of human life, of the entire social life and they said that at every turn of life, human beings have to discover Agni. The very first mantra of the Rig Veda gives the whole secret of the soul. It says agnimire, “O soul, I worship you”. This is the secret mantra. If you want to find your soul, you just say, “O soul I worship you.” If you constantly do it, the soul itself will come out in the front and you will begin to shine with the nature of the soul. Then it says, purohitam, “you are the purohita ─ leader.” Purohita does not mean an ordinary priest. Puroha means front, hita means put forward; that which is put forward is called purohita. So the soul is the purohita, one who is always in the front, he is constantly guiding you, although you may not listen to its guidance, you might not be aware of it. It says purohitam yajnasya devam ritvijam. He is the ritvija ─ the one who knows the cycles of development, where one is at present in the long cycle of development. You may have had many past births. It knows all the past births, it knows where you are now, it knows the direction in which you are going, it knows the cycles by which you can move towards it. It is ritvijam ─ ritu means the season. It is the knower of the seasons of the soul’s development. It is hotaram; it is the one who can call all the powers that are in God because it has direct contact with Him. It is ratnadhatamam. Here ratna means happiness, bliss, sweetness ─ it is the holder of all the bliss that is possible, even the highest bliss. So, if a human being is in search for the highest bliss he will get it only by going through the soul. Such is the importance of the soul in our search of life.

Gulati

Devinder Singh Gulati wrote:

When we use the word soul, what do we normally mean? Soul really means the stuff of which a thing is made. When we say this is the soul of an institution, the soul of the home, the soul of life, what we mean is that it is that without which the thing concerned could not have been made. Many people, in many circumstances and many contexts, use this word, soul, loosely and that is why there is a great deal of confusion on this subject.
Every human being normally has got these three elements ─ the body, the vital and the mental; but none of these is the soul, although the soul is present in all of them. The soul is the stuff of everything but the soul is still different from all the three. Many people think that the vital prana is the soul, which it is not. Similarly many people think that the mind is the soul (which also it is not) because mind seems to be uplifted and high and can move about in imagination ─ it looks as if it is ethereal, something corresponding to our concept of something that is superior and high. Now it is true that mind is certainly superior to many things in our consciousness but there is still something deeper than mind and that is the soul. In Sanskrit it is called antaratman. How do we distinguish between mind and the soul? Since the soul is the stuff of everything, it will naturally have qualities that are present in the body, life and mind. The soul, for example, has a kind of substantiality which even matter has got, it has feelings just as the vital has got, it has the knowledge just as the mind has got. Now these three things are present in the soul and yet it is something else. What is that something else? First, a spontaneous sweetness in the consciousness, spontaneous sweetness, not depending upon objects ─ when I am with you, I may feel very sweet because of your presence; with you I understand what sweetness of a relationship is. But when the same sweetness, or even greater sweetness is experienced without dependence upon any object that is the sign of the soul.

In Katha Upanishad it is described as madhvadaha ─ madhu means honey, adaha means eater ─ the soul is described as the eater of honey, the eternal honey; it is like a sponge which constantly oozes out honey. Each one of us has got a soul, just as each one of us has got a mind. It is full of sweetness, inherent sweetness, you do not have to manufacture it and you do not have to be in contact with any object in the world to experience it. When you touch it you will automatically find sweetness in it and you will be filled with sweetness. That is the first characteristic of the soul ─ inherent sweetness of consciousness ─ not merely sweetness coming from outside, but that which is inherent, inborn ─ just as the capacity of thinking is inborn in the mind, similarly the capacity of experiencing sweetness independent of any object in the world, internally, is a speciality of the soul. The second characteristic of the soul is that it has an automatic knowledge of the truth. If the soul is brought into the real play, put in the presence of many facts, many people, it will automatically turn to the truthful man, truthful woman, truthful child, automatically, just as the sunflower turns automatically to the sun. The soul is like a needle that automatically turns to all that is truthful. In the mind, truth is to be sought for. In the mind it may be mixed with error. We start with ignorance and doubt and gradually eliminate errors and arrive at some kind of truth. It is a big labour and in that too we are not sure whether it is really true or not. We simply say: “I think it may be true, probably it is true,” and to make it certain you require so much evidence. Only then can you say, “Now I think it is really true” and even then fresh evidence might emerge and disqualify what was previously believed to be the truth. We see in the judgments of the courts, how very often, even with clinching evidence, a wrong judgment is given. So, mind is a seeker of truth, it may arrive at the truth but it is never certain about it. The soul on the contrary is automatically sure of what is true, without evidence. Therefore if the soul consciousness is really discovered, it can automatically find out what is true and what is false. It is compared with a swan, which has the capacity of separating milk from water. It is so said that if you fabricate a story and give it to the soul, it will automatically separate the truth from the falsehood – it will not look for evidence. Similarly, it has another capacity of distinguishing between good and evil, who is noble and who is not noble, whether somebody is truly self–sacrificing or not or only making a pretence of sacrifice. Similarly, the soul has a real eye for beauty; even in the ugly it can find out what is beautiful. That is why, when a mother has real love for her child, she always finds the child to be beautiful ─ because real motherhood is very near to the soul. All mothers in the world while experiencing real motherhood are very near to their soul. Fathers cannot experience this but mothers experience this very deeply, that is why motherhood is such an important thing in life. So, sweetness is the first recognition of the soul, and then comes the capacity to distinguish truth from falsehood, capacity to distinguish good from evil and the capacity to distinguish between the beautiful and the ugly.

There is a third element in the soul; it has an inherent knowledge of what is the purpose of the life in which it is involved now. “What is the direction that my life must take? What is the purpose of my life? What am I here to do? Should I be an engineer or a doctor or a lawyer, a coolie or a scribe, or what? How do I know what I am to do?” These are questions that everyone asks. If you give a chance to the soul it has an answer. In fact this is the one question, the answer to which you can find in no book but which you can find only in the soul, “What am I to do in life?” Books can give a general guidance, but what your specific work is, can be found only in your soul and nowhere else. That is why if you really want to know your aim in life, it can be achieved only by going to the soul. So, this is the fourth important element in the soul ─ the knowledge of the aim of life of the individual.

Gulati
Devinder Singh Gulati wrote:

I distinguish Spirit from Soul. Spirit is the origin of everything. It is non-material. Spirit is transcendent. In the manifestation it is a diffuse principle. Soul is an individuation of Spirit. In the Christian trinity of Father, Son and Ghost, I identify Father as transcendent Spirit, Son as Soul, and holy Ghost as the diffuse principle in the manifest world. The vital animating principle found in living thing, I identify as life force, prana. The embodied Spirit, which I call Soul, does not have a material basis. It is non-material.

Rudra is engaging here in pushing an opinion. He is not interested in finding truth. Opinion is not truth. One who is inquiring into the truth of a matter takes into account all opinions in order to establish his opinion or find error in his opinion. Rudra has foreclosed the issue by refusing to consider the possibility of an immaterial Soul that may have its own independent existence. Rudra exhibits herein a non-scientific attitude, for science takes into account all observable facts. His plea is that the immaterial cannot be observed. But when effects can be observed it is a valid observation. Or if someone at least has observed, it is a valid observation. I have not observed the atoms, but I take the scientists word for it that they exist.

Matter is immortal, unborn, uncreated, immutable and indestructible says Rudra. He does nothing to disprove the claim of the scriptures that say God created matter. He may find some support in the Koranic claim that God created Man from clay or earth that was existing, but the Koran does not explain how God has sovereignty over matter that He did not create. Rudra also claims God does not exist, although he not countered the Koranic claim of transcendence and immanence of God. He offers the immanence claim as support of his own opinion, whereby he implicitly accepts transcendence, but fails to counter Islamic theology on the rejection of immanence by citing some other claims in the Koran.

My definition of Soul is; it is individuated Spirit. Spirit I define as first cause.

Rust or iron oxide is a mutation of iron. What according to you is original or true nature of iron?

I request you deal with all my arguments, not just take up iron and iron oxide.

Gulati

R.Rudranarasimham wrote:

WHAT IS SPIRIT? WHAT IS SOUL?

For purposes of discussion, it is important to attach specific meaning to words or terms used in conversation. I define Spirit or Soul as the Vital, Animating Principle found in all Living Things. My concern is about ’embodied’ Spirit or Soul and to discover its material basis. I have no particular concern for Spirit or Soul that is immaterial or may have an independent existence when not attached to Living Things. While defining Matter or things that have Substance or Material, I ask people to recognize that Matter as constituted by its Chemical Elements which have basic attributes such as Imperishable, Immutable, Immortal, Unborn, and even Uncreated. If man is created by using mud, clay, dust, or Earthly Material, I claim that Material is Indestructible.

I ask readers to attach specific meaning to the word named Soul or Spirit.

Iron, the Chemical Element is Indestructible. Whereas Iron Oxide or Rust is thought of as Perishable as it is associated with change called Corrosion.

For purposes of discussion, I ask readers to specify as to what they want to investigate; 1. The Original, True, or Real nature of Chemical Element Fe, or Iron, or 2. Its interaction with other Chemical Elements.

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA
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Devinder Singh Gulati wrote:

By spirit you mean jinn or soul?

Book – “The World of the Jinn and Devils”, p. 7
Ibn Abdul Barr said, “The jinn, according to

the scholars of the language, are of different types:

• If one is mentioning the jinn purely of

  themselves, the are called jinni.*

• If one is mentioning the jinn that live among

  mankind, they are called aamar whose plural is amaar.

• If one is mentioning the ones that antagonize

  the young, they are called arwaah.

• If one is mentioning the evil ones that antagonize

  humans they are called shaitan for the singular [and shayateen

  for plural].

If they cause even more harm and become strong,

they are called afreet.”
Jinn according to Quran and Sunnah

Islamic belief divides sentient beings into three categories. In order of creation, they are: the angels (malayka), the hidden ones (jinn), and humankind (nas or banu adam). Angels are made out of light, jinn out of fire, men out of earth (sometimes translated as mud or clay). Angels are considered neither male nor female and have no free will. Jinn, like humans, are gendered, and have free will. (This is why, in Islamic thought, Satan is a jinn, not an angel; it would be impossible for an angel to disobey the will of God.) Jinn may be benevolent, evil, or neutral, but are generally regarded as less trustworthy and more prone to trickery than people, even if they are benign.
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One of the powers of the Jinn, is that they are able to take on any physical form they like. Thus, they can appear as humans, animals trees and anything else. The Jinn are beings created with free will, living on earth in a world parallel to mankind. The Arabic word Jinn is from the verb ‘Janna’ which means to hide or conceal. Thus, they are physically invisible from man as their description suggests. The origins of the Jinn can be traced from the Quran and the Sunnah. God says:

“Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire” (Quran 15:26-27)

Thus the Jinn were created before man. Like humans, they too are required to worship God and follow Islam. Their purpose in life is exactly the same as ours, as God says:

“I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me.” (Quran 51:56)

Jinns can thus be Muslims or non-Muslims. However, due to their fiery nature the majority of them are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Jinns form a part of the army of the most famous Jinn, Satan. Consequently, these disbelieving Jinns are also called devils. Jinns also become Muslims, as they did in the time of the Prophet when a group of them were amazed by the recitation of the Quran.

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Jinns do not incarnate. They assume human forms.
If by spirit you mean soul, then the soul of a 4 legged animal is an irrational soul that dies with the death of the body.
Only a rational soul (of man) is permanent. Only that can reincarnate.
But Islam holds man takes a onetime birth. There is no reincarnation.
The Dead Never Come Back Until the Day of Resurrection [sura 23]

[23:99] When death comes to one of them, he says, “My Lord, send me back.
[23:100] “I will then work righteousness in everything I left.” Not true. This is a false claim that he makes. A barrier will separate his soul from this world until resurrection.
Sura 23, The Believers (Al-Mu’minûn) Quran The Final Testament, translated by Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.

Sura 23, The Believers (Al-Mu’minûn) Quran The Final Testament, translated by Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D. By Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.

The above words of God are clear and unambiguous. When a person dies, God takes his/her soul while he is still in the process of imploring God for another chance. As soon as the human dies a barrier is immediately in place. This barrier prevents his/her soul from returning to earth. This barrier is maintained until the Day of Resurrection.
Second : Number of Death’s (two Death’s or one Death?)
The mentioning of two deaths and two lives in 40:11 may cause some interpreters to somehow connect the Quranic teachings to the concept of multiple births, however on closer examination we realise that the opposite is true.
“They will say, “Our Lord, you have put us to death twice, and You gave us two lives; now we have confessed our sins. Is there any way out?” 40:11
The truth of the matter is that this very verse serves as another solid proof against any such theory. 40:11 traces the progress of our course from the feud in the Heavenly Society (38:69) to the Day of Judgement. We made a covenant with God (5:7) and then we were put to death. That was our First death.

Consequently, the first death ended our life in the previous life which was in God’s Kingdom and not here on Earth. The second death ends the life of the disbelievers here on Earth, hence they say to God:
“You have put us to death twice, and You gave us two lives”
The believers on the other hand do not taste the second death, after the end of their life on Earth the angels invite them to enter Heaven, they do not die but move straight to Heaven.

Upon our first death, we were brought to this life to be given a further chance to redeem our souls and submit to God’s absolute authority. This is our first and only life on Earth. The “one death” for the believers and the “two deaths” for the disbelievers set the rule that all humans have only one life on Earth and that no one returns to Earth after their death. This is clearly different from reincarnation which implies multiple lives and deaths for each individual.

True Islam – Reincarnation theory

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Also how do you explain moving straight to heaven, when in fact you are called to heaven only on the day of judgement.

Gulati

Devinder Singh Gulati wrote:

We say commonly souls are immortal. But in an occult sense souls may be mortal too. When the vedantin speaks of laya or the Buddhist of sunya, what else is it? It is nothing but the annihilation of the soul, even if it is in the Brahman or some Absolute.

Nolini Kanta Gupta poses the question; Are souls finite or infinite in number?
Supposing they are finite, then a time will come when there will be no souls upon earth; for, as it is said, all souls are evolving and will pass out of earthly life and get merged in their source, the Brahman, the absolute Reality. On the other hand if they are infinite, then, since all of them cannot appear on earth at the same time, the number of human bodies that houses the soul being limited, what happens to those that are not embodied, where do they wait or what do they do in that period? (The Koran says they are with Allah). Will all have the chance, will it be needed for all to take a body? There is bound to be a very large number that will not visit earth, for however much the population increases, it cannot increase to infinity. Both science and religion say the world will come to an end sometime.

If all cannot come down, Allah’s purpose is defeated.
1- It is understood that the creation of souls was before the creation of bodies. We are on a journey starting from the world of souls and continuing through our mothers’ wombs, then childhood, youth, agedness, graveyard, purgatory (waiting place between Hell and Heaven), and finally ending in Hell or Heaven. The beginning of the journey is the world of souls. In this sense, the creation of souls was before the creation of bodies.

2- There is no young or old soul. These are physical characteristics.
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Did God create souls all at the same time? Which means did my soul or the souls of people who are yet to be born were already created and assigned only when mothers give birth?

Who better than its Creator Himself to answer? He (SWT) said:

{And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, “The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little.} (Quran: Chapter 17, Verse 85)

We realize that there will be no way for the created being in this life to gain full mastery of knowledge or ultimate understanding of the matters that reside exclusively with its Creator.
So, basically, one can comfortably say that Allah (SWT) does not burden us with anything more than what we truly need to know.
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Allah’s purpose according to sura 2 of the Koran is to test the souls:
38. We said: “Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
39. “But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein.”

2. The Cow

2. The Cow

So Rudra, does the soul have to be permanent to be real?

Gulati

From: Devinder Singh Gulati wrote:

The questions to be considered are:For soul to be real, does it have to be permanent?
For soul to be real does it have to be material?

For soul to be real does it have to be transcendent?

You have said previously, the soul is material or at least has material basis.

You wrote:
“What is Soul? Is it a material principle or is it an immaterial principle? What is Consciousness? Is it a mental function? Is it a psychological function? Is it a biological function? What is the relationship between soul and consciousness? We need to discuss this topic called soul and consciousness in relationship with this egg cell. Does this egg cell display consciousness? If the egg cell is conscious, does it have a soul? In that context, we have to answer similar questions about Amoeba proteus, is it conscious? and does it have a soul?”
You wrote:
“In Indian tradition, spirit or soul represents “PRAJNANA”(Great or Supreme Knowledge) implanted in all kinds of living entities. The physical evidence of this knowledge is presence of ‘consciousness’ which is in its essence is a cognitive function( the ability to know). This cognitive ability is a biological or living function and should not be confused with cognitive abilities acquired by education or learning experience. This ability cannot be implanted by using genetic engineering. The knowledge associated with consciousness and spirit or soul is not acquired and it does not demand intervention by a teacher or instructor.”
“In Indian tradition, a distinction is made between matter and soul which is interpreted in various manners. The problem becomes apparent when Indian tradition divides human body into perishable body, and imperishable soul. I do not want to reject Indian tradition, rather I would like to clarify the statement using reason and accepted, verified knowledge provided by Science.”

Aitareya Upanishad (ऐतरेय उपनिषद्) (AU)

AU has 3 chapters, 5 sections, and 33 mantras. In Ch-1 it says “in the beginning the Atman was one alone and thought “let Me create the worlds” (1.1.1). It then gives rather elaborate account of “creation” with His entry into the soul (1.3.12). AU distinguishes between the mind and the Consciousness in the last chapter and gives the salient sentence: “Consciousness is Brahman” (प्रज्ञानं ब्रह्म) (3.1.3).

So let us begin at the beginning.
Does soul have to be permanent to be real?

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From: Devinder Singh Gulati

How do Muslims know the will of God?

We are examining now three realities.
1. God, 2. Creation, and 3. Soul.
We are examining if God if real; is transcendent; is immanent; or is both transcendent and immanent.

Rudra suggests that God is real, in immanence.
God is imaginary in transcendence, that was his view.
In the course of the discussion he has veered round to the view that God is both transcendent and immanent.

This puts him in conflict with Islam and Christianity.
Also with those sects of Hinduism that claim God is unreal in the immanence.
[The Sankaracharya]

So we are now at this question:
Is there one reality, or two, or three?
Rudra maintained there is only one reality.
Creation was his only reality.

He now admits transcendent God is a reality too.

The religions posit three realities.
[Sikhism’s position on Soul as a distinct reality is divided]

At least three religions deny divinity to Creation and to Soul.
The three are the Abrahamic religions.

Let us now move to Soul.
Creation and Soul are admitted as realities by Muslims.

The Soul does not guide Muslims, the Koran does.
How do Muslims know the will of God?
From the Koran.

Socrates knew the will of God from his soul.
Whenever he wanted to do something that God did not want him to do, a voice would tell him not to do it.
He had guidance from the Soul.
The Soul is divine.

Theologians in Islam are divided if the soul is permanent or destructible.

Those who attribute non-materiality to the essence of the rational soul, such as AL-KINDI and Ibn Sina, assert that this soul pre-exists the body. While all of them agree that the non-rational soul is destroyed after the destruc­tion of the body, they differ with regard to the end of the rational soul.

Al-Kindi and Ibn Sina, for example, strongly adhere to the view that all rational souls are indestructible because by nature they are simple. AL-FARABI reminds us that the reason for eternal existence is the rational soul’s knowledge of the eternal aspects of the universe. From this he draws the conclusion, as did ALEXANDER OF APHRODISIAS before him, that only those rational souls that have this knowledge at their separation from the body are indestructible. Other rational souls are eventually destroyed. Soul In Islamic Philosophy

Soul In Islamic Philosophy

So what is your idea on reality of the soul, now that you have confirmed two other realities.

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From Devinder Singh Gulati:

>>> Man knows God through his experience of Peace, Harmony, and Tranquility in his earthly human existence. <<<

Where does Man experience Peace, Harmony, Tranquility?

1. In the body?
2. In the emotion?
3. In the mind?
4. In the transcendence?
>>> In my view, man lacks cognitive abilities to cross or transcend the barrier imposed by God. <<<

Is there any way to know this barrier?

How do Muslims know the will of God?

Is God real?

Gulati

R.Rudranarasimham wrote:

NAMES OF GOD – AS SALAAM – PEACE AND BLESSINGS

It is absolutely incorrect and improper to define Islam without studying it. God’s Perfection, Blessings, and Peace are experienced by man who lives on the surface of planet Earth on account of God’s Mercy, Grace, and Compassion. Man knows God through his experience of Peace, Harmony, and Tranquility in his earthly human existence.

In my view, man lacks cognitive abilities to cross or transcend the barrier imposed by God. True Muslims submit to the Will of God and with Devotion seek God’s Grace, Mercy, and Compassion to cross the barrier and to gain acceptance for entering God’s Realm.

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA
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From: Devinder Singh Gulati

God is transcendent say Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

God does not reside in creation.
God is immanent as well as transcendent say Hinduism and Sikhism.
God resides in creation as well the transcendent realm.
God is immanent only says Rudra as he claims man’s experience is conditioned.
God resides only in creation.

Gulati

Devinder Singh Gulati wrote:

We are examining two realities.These are God and Creation.
Both are real, agree Islam, Christianity, Hinduism and Sikhism.
God does not reside in it say the first two.
God is immanent in the creation say the other two.

God is a figment of the imagination says Rudra.
To him God is unreal and Matter is real.
There is only one reality he says.
It is this question we are considering.
Is there one reality or are there two?

Argument put forth by Rudra is that God is a product of language.
Take away language and there is no God.
“ In the Universe, and World created by God, He/She is the ONE and ONLY God.”

This ONE and ONLY God is nothing but Matter according to him.

“Big Bang Theory and Evolution Theory are not consistent with Creation Theory.”

Creationism says; God created man.
Man did not evolve from animal.
Rudra adds his own twist; creation is eternal.
Creation always was.
It is Creation that created man.

Now to come to Rudra’s contention;
Java Man cannot be identified as Adam as Human Literature suggests that Adam used communication that involves phonetic symbols.

The human literature Rudra is talking about is the literature of Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
Adam left behind no literature.
That is because Adam did not have spoken language.

Rudra traces the hominid timeline to 4.5 million years ago starting with australopithicus ramidus:

He streches the possibility to six million years thus:

I start the human story with Homo Eructus or Java man who always walked erect. Upto Homo habilis there was the ability to do so when walking on the ground. Otherwise they were tree dwellers:

In mankind’s evolutionary journey to the present, there were many starts and stops, most attempts didn’t work out all that well, but with each try, we got a little better and we moved a little closer to whatever it is that we are to be. {The process is on-going}.
We will begin with Homo-habilis because habilis is the one that we believe was the first of the “great Ape” type creatures to have evolved to the point where he could be called “Homo” (MAN).
Homo- habilis is now extinct, but he inhabited parts of sub-Saharan Africa about 2 million to 1.5 million years ago. Homo-habilis is generally accepted as the earliest member of the genus Homo. He is following Australopithecus and preceding Homo-erectus. He was given the name Homo habilis, meaning ‘handy man’, because he made tools. We think that he was the first creature to make tools for specific purposes

Homo-habilis, Homo-erectus, Neanderthal – Ancient Man and His First Civilizations

Homo-habilis, Homo-erectus, Neanderthal – Ancient Man and His First Civilizations

When and where did language originate?
Steven Mithen believes that H. heidelbergensis, [that followed Homo Eructus], like its descendant H. neanderthalensis, acquired a pre-linguistic system of communication. H. heidelbergensis was a close relative (most probably a migratory descendant) of Homo ergaster. H. ergaster is thought to be the first hominid to vocalize, and that as H. heidelbergensis developed, more sophisticated culture proceeded from this point. Of course many other mammals also “vocalize” (Great Apes, for example), so it would be logical that all hominids would have “vocalized” at some level.
Homo heidelbergensis

Homo heidelbergensis Homo heidelbergensis – also Homo rhodesiensis – is an extinct species of the genus Homo that lived in Africa, Eu…

Gulati

R.Rudranarasimham wrote:

THE ORIGIN OF MAN – THE ORIGIN OF LANGUAGE

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Big Bang Theory and Evolution Theory are not consistent with Creation Theory. In the Universe, and World created by God, He/She is the ONE and ONLY God.

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In man’s( Anatomically Modern Man identified as Homo sapiens sapiens) World, God is a Phenomenon created by Human Language of man. Java Man cannot be identified as Adam as Human Literature suggests that Adam used communication that involves phonetic symbols.

In man’s world, there are as many gods as there are languages that man uses. To know God, man has to investigate World without man and his language.

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada

Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA
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FROM DEVINDER SINGH GULATI:

During geological period of time called PLEISTOCENE God created man. Adam, the first man was of the species what geologists call the Java Man.
Java Man was a hominid. Homo Erectus.

God may be one, but you have to contend with two realities.
In Islam, (and in Christianity), there is God and there is not-God.
Creation is ‘not-God’.
Man, who is creation, is not-God.

Creation is dependent on God, but why did God create?
It must be useful to him in some way.

God’s existence is enriched by human experience.

Man in the HOLOCENE age has claimed experience of the eternal and immortal God.
Mansoor made that claim and Ramakrishna made that claim.
You are shying away from investigating these claims by saying ‘it is impossible’.

Here is Jaggi Vasudev making the claim of oneness with all creation.
The boundary of his individual self is lost.
This contradicts your assertion that all individuals have boundaries.
Here is a man in the prime of his youth cognizing creation as his own extension.

This is not the same experience as Mansoor’s or Ramakrishna’s but it challenges your idea of identity.
You simply dismiss it as not possible.
That is not scientific attitude.

Jaggi’s is what is called an occult experience.
He experienced his oneness with creation. That is not God experience.
Mansoor and Ramakrishna experienced oneness with God.
That is spiritual experience.

There have been individuals who have experienced events prior to their own lifetimes.
Edgar Cayce’s are well documented. He was an American Christian mystic who answered questions on subjects as varied as healing, reincarnation, wars, Atlantis, and future events while in a trance.

In previous geological time periods when man did not exist, God was not alone.

There was the creation.
Creation is a reality apart from God in Islam.

Gulati

R.Rudranarasimham wrote:

“La Illaha Illa Allahu” – THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD

Islam is True Religion if it statements are interpreted using help from the Geological Time Chart. God is One as God’s Existence is independent of man’s existence during Geological Time Period called HOLOCENE.

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Human experience of God or Spirit or Soul is irrelevant in the context of describing One and Only God whose existence is not conditioned by human experience.

Man may use terms like ‘Eternal’, ‘Immortal’, Imperishable, Immutable, etc., but man’s experience is shaped by his cognitive abilities. No man can claim experience of Eternal or Immortal God or Spirit or Soul. Man’s experience is conditioned by his aging process and its related decline in cognitive functions. Man has no memory of his own lifetime and hence it is impossible to experience any thing which includes events prior to his own lifetime. Apart from that man cannot experience previous Geological Time Periods during which he never existed but One and Only God existed.

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA
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SPIRITUALITY SCIENCE – THE CONCEPT OF AL-ALEEM – THE KNOWER OF ALL THINGS

( “Wa huwa bikulli shayin’ aleem”)

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Islam is true religion for it claims that God alone Knows All things. Fundamentally, man cannot know the Final Truth, the Ultimate Reality. Man’s existence is conditioned; the conditioning influence is called ‘Grand Illusion’. Man exists under the protective shield of Illusion which blocks both mental and sensory perceptions. Man shares his Perspective of Truth while deriving Protection under shield of Grand Illusion. Man’s Power of Imagination cannot free man from problems of Perception imposed by Natural, Fundamental Forces such as Light or Gravitation. Man is always conditioned by aging process which impairs man’s cognitive abilities under the influence of Time.

For man can never, ever know all things, man must not boast about his Knowledge or Wisdom. Man only knows God through God’s Kindness, Justice, and Righteousness.

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA
BHAVANAJAGAT.ORG

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From: Devinder Singh Gulati

Again, the Qur’an argues that the knowledge of God as the creator of everything rules out the possibility of lesser gods since these beings must be themselves created. For the Qur’an, God is an immanent and transcendent deity who actively creates, maintains and destroys the universe. The reality of God as the ultimate cause of things is the belief that God is veiled from human understanding because of the secondary causes and contingent realities of things in the world.[This is the argument also of some Sikh scholars regarding the concept of God in Sikhism]. The belief in the oneness of God is equated in the Qur’an with the “belief in the unseen” (Surah 2:3).

According to Hossein Nasser, Ali, the first Imam of Shia and fourth Rashid Caliph states that “God is One” means that God is away from likeness and numeration and he is not divisible even in imagination.

Tanzih is an islamic religious concept meaning transcendence. In Islamic theology, two opposite terms are attributed to Allah: tanzih and tashbih. The latter means “nearness, closeness, accessibility”.
However, the fuller meaning of tanzih is ‘declaring incompatibility’, i.e. affirming Allah’s transcendent distance from humanity. This concept is eternally juxtaposed with Allah’s tashbih (closeness, or ‘affirming similarity’). The Quran asserts the existence of a single and absolute truth that transcends the world; a unique, independent and indivisible being, who is independent of the entire creation.
Tawhid is the religion’s most fundamental concept and holds that God(Allah, literally Al-Ilāh “the God”) is One (Al-ʾAḥad) and Single (Al-Wāḥid).
Tawhid

Tawhid Tawhid (Arabic: توحيد‎‎ tawḥīd, meaning the oneness [of God]”; also transliterated as Tawheed and Touheed) …

How then do we reconcile immanence with tawhid in the Koran?
Immanence is described as permeation.
The immanence of the Koran says. He is near, yet far.

He does not permeate.

The problem here is; ‘where does creation come from?
From outside Allah!
What did he create from?
“Nothing”.

If nothing be outside God He has no mastery over it.
‘There is no place that Allah is not’.

To most Muslim scholars, the science of tawhid is the systematic theology through which a better knowledge of God may be reached, but to the Ṣūfīs, knowledge of God can be reached only through religious experience and direct vision.

Definition of tawhid

1. the Muslim doctrine of the oneness of God
2. Sufism : the union of the individual soul with God

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SPIRITUALITY SCIENCE – “La Illaha Illa Allahu” – THE CONCEPT OF ONLY ONE GOD

Islam is True Religion if it statements are interpreted using help from the Geological Time Chart. God is One as God’s Existence is independent of man’s existence during Geological Time Period called HOLOCENE Epoch.

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Human experience of God or Spirit or Soul is irrelevant in the context of describing One and Only God whose existence is not conditioned by human experience.

In Human Languages words and terms such as ‘Immortal’ and ‘Eternal’ are included while man has no mental or sensory experience of such States or Conditions of Existence. Man’s cognitive abilities are conditioned by his aging process. It is difficult for man to retain memory of his own lifetime events. In my analysis, man’s experience of Immortal or Eternal Soul, Spirit, or God is unlikely for man never existed on Earth apart from the most recent Geological Time Period. The concept of Only One God cannot be verified by human mental or sensory experience.

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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SPIRITUALITY SCIENCE – WHAT IS GOD’S LANGUAGE?

Holy Book of Quran, Surah Al-Hadeed, verse #3 reads: “huwal-Awwalu wal-Akhiru wath Tahiru wal Batinu.” It means:
HE IS THE FIRST; HE IS THE LAST; HE IS THE MANIFEST; HE IS THE HIDDEN.

It is ridiculous and preposterous to know God using Human Language. God is the First and God preceded arrival of man on Earth. Just like the Dinosaurs, man may have to depart from planet Earth and it does not mean God will be replaced.

Man has to examine God and Nature not in the context of Human Existence but in the context of Life prior to arrival of man on Earth. What is the Language in which God instructs Nature to make Creation a reality that man can perceive?

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA
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From: Devinder Singh Gulati

We started this inquiry discussing the specific idea of true and false religion. False religion was stated to be that whose message is “that Allah may be worshipped in the form of His creation. But one who understands the message of Islam, which is the true religion would never concede to idolatry or the worship of another person. Allah is in all of us according to this false belief. But in the true religion, Allah and man are forever separate.” In the true religion, we concluded in the course of our discussion, there are two realities. They are Allah and his creation. The true religion does not talk of illusion of creation.

In the course of the inquiry we came up with a new fact. There were indeed at least two persons in history, Mansoor and Ramakrishna, who experienced unity rather than separation with Allah. With this discovery our starting statement stands falsified. So in accordance with the dialectic method we are forced to modify the starting statement if the inquiry is to move any further. There can no longer be the certainty that divinity does not descend into man or that Allah and man are forever separate. The assertion “Neither is Allah His creation or a part of it, nor is His creation Him or a part of Him” can no longer hold.

We agreed that our method of inquiry will not be the subjective method of mysticism, but the objective method of philosophy which is rational and scientific in nature. It is an intellectual method. In this method when we come up with a new fact we enlarge our inquiry to include that fact. Can we now conclude that a religion that worships creation is not necessarily false as premised in the starting statement, or do you have any objection to this reasoning. If you have an objection let us look at it and consider how it further changes our conclusion.

Next, it was premised that all religions other than Islam are false. The basis of this statement is that the name of God’s religion lslam was chosen by Allah Himself and clearly mentioned in His final revelation to man. In the final book of divine revelation, the Qur’aan, Allah states the following:

“This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion”. ( Surah Al-Maa’idah 5:3)

“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah (God) never will It be accepted of Him” ( Surah Aal’imraan 3:85)

“Abraham was not a Jew nor Christian; but an upright Muslim.” ( Surah Aal’imraan 3:67)

The question to now consider here is, whose revelation is this. Is it Allah’s revelation to the prophet, or the prophet’s revelation to man?

That there was a revelation is not in doubt. What was the nature of the revelation? Was it in vision or speech? What was the consciousness of the receiver of the revelation. These are the questions that have been raised that need discussion. Obviously the prophet is not the knower of all things. “Fundamentally, man cannot know the Final Truth, the Ultimate Reality. Man exists under the protective shield of Illusion which blocks both mental and sensory perceptions.”

Man shares his Perspective of Truth while deriving Protection under shield of Grand Illusion. Man’s Power of Imagination cannot free man from problems of Perception imposed by Natural, Fundamental Forces like Light and Gravitation.

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SPIRITUALITY SCIENCE – BISMILLAH AR-RAHMAN AR-RAHEEM

Mr. Devinder Singh Gulati presented a philosophical argument and proceeded to its conclusion without any inquiry about its foundational idea. He shared a photo image of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs showing that man has physiological or basic needs.

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To begin the discussion, he has to describe those physiological needs to account for man’s satisfaction, satiation, or contentment when those needs are fulfilled.

Islam is True Religion for it says, “Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Raheem” to acknowledge God’s Unconditioned Love called Mercy and Compassion. Fundamentally, man’s physical existence depends upon God’s Grace, Mercy, and Compassion.

God’s Grace is sufficient for me and it meets all of my needs apart from physiological needs. Self-Realization, Self-Actualization and God-Realization simply means knowing God’s Grace, Mercy, and Compassion as True Knowledge of God.

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA
BHAVANAJAGAT.ORG

From: Devinder Singh Gulati

Philosophic argument aims at seeking truth. It brooks no a priori assumptions.

In the previous link we looked at one such assumption in the matter of false religion.

The argument offered however remained inconclusive.

A philosophic inquiry looks at all relevant facts and ties up the ideas.
The philosophic method connects up a procession of ideas.
In the process totality is embraced by constantly enlarging the inquiry.
It is a methodical process of reasoning.
Reasoning employs argument.

Every argument has three limbs.
1. Statement of a fact (idea).
2. Show the incompleteness of the fact (presence of another idea).
3. Arrive at judgement if that fact is properly related or not.

The judgement takes two forms.
1. Form of probability.
2. Form of conclusivity.

In the previous link an assumption was made about false religion:
The True Religion

The True Religion

The assumption was:
“Thus, it may be stated that the basic message of false religion is that Allah may be worshipped in the form of His creation.”

In the same link another idea was introduced:

When the idol worshipper is questioned as to why he or she bows down to idols created by men, the invariable reply is that they are not actually worshipping the stone image, but Allah who is present within it. They claim that the stone idol is only a focal point for Allah’s essence and is not in itself Allah! One who has accepted the concept of the presence of God’s being within His creation in any way will be obliged to accept this argument of idolatry. Whereas, one who understands the basic message of Islam and its implications would never concede to idolatry no matter how it is rationalized. Those who have claimed divinity for themselves down through the ages have often based their claims on the mistaken belief that Allah is present in man. They merely had to assert that although Allah according to their false beliefs, is in all of us, He is more present in them than in the rest of us. Hence, they claim, we should submit our will to them and worship them as they are either God in person or God concentrated within the person.
One who has grasped the basic message of Islam and its implications could never agree to worship another human being under any circumstances.


It was not argued on what rational basis the practice of idolatry is to be rejected except to say:

Thus, the final Prophet of Islam is reported to have said, “Any one who says: There is no god but Allah and dies holding that (belief) will enter paradise”.(Reported by Abu Dharr and collected by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim).

There is as we can see no conclusion. The probability of divinity in the creation is left hanging, unresolved.
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Sri Aurobindo, The Life Divine – Chapters 1 to 7, 21-26 April 2008 Part 5 Sri Aurobindo’s, Life Divine

Gulati

Here is an assumption:

False religions all have in common one basic concept with regards to Allah. They either claim that all men are gods or that specific men were Allah or that nature is Allah or that Allah is a figment of man’s imagination.
Thus, it may be stated that the basic message of false religion is that Allah may be worshipped in the form of His creation. False religion invites man to the worship of creation by calling the creation or some aspect of it God. For example, prophet Jesus invited his followers to worship Allah but those who claim to be his followers today call people to worship Jesus, claiming that he was Allah!
Buddha was a reformer who introduced a number of humanistic principles to the religion of India. He did not claim to be God nor did he suggest to his followers that he be an object of worship. Yet, today most Buddhists who are to be found outside of India have taken him to be God and prostrate to idols made in their perception of his likeness.
By using the principle of identifying the object of worship, false religion becomes very obvious and the contrived nature of their origin clear. As God said in the Our’aan:
That which you worship besides Him are only names you and your forefathers have invented for which Allah has sent down no authority: The command belongs only to Allah:
He has commanded that you only worship Him; that is the right religion, but most men do not understand “. (Soorah Yoosuf 12:40)


Consequently, the worship of creation, which is the essence of idolatry, is the only unforgivable sin. One who dies in this state of idolatry has sealed his fate in the next life. This is not an opinion, but a revealed fact stated by Allah in his final revelation to man:

“Verily Allah will not forgive the joining of partners with Him, but He may forgive (sins) less than that for whom so ever He wishes”(Soorah An- Nisaa 4:48 and 116)

The True Religion

The True Religion

The assumption here is that only Islam is true and the entire argument aims at proving that all other religions are false.
It is not an exercise into inquiring “what is true”.

Where does this argument originate?
It originates in the Koran:
[5:44] We have sent down the Torah,* containing guidance and light. Ruling in accordance with it were the Jewish prophets, as well as the rabbis and the priests, as dictated to them in GOD‘s scripture, and as witnessed by them. Therefore, do not reverence human beings; you shall reverence Me instead. And do not trade away My revelations for a cheap price. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD‘s revelations, are the disbelievers.
[5:45] And we decreed for them in it that: the life for the life, the eye for the eye, the nose for the nose, the ear for the ear, the tooth for the tooth, and an equivalent injury for any injury. If one forfeits what is due to him as a charity, it will atone for his sins. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD‘s revelations are the unjust.
[5:46] Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous.
[5:47] The people of the Gospel shall rule in accordance with GOD‘s revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD‘s revelations are the wicked.
[5:48] Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD‘s revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny—all of you—then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.
[5:49] You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD‘s revelations to you. Do not follow their wishes, and beware lest they divert you from some of GOD‘s revelations to you. If they turn away, then know that GOD wills to punish them for some of their sins. Indeed, many people are wicked.
[5:50] Is it the law of the days of ignorance that they seek to uphold? Whose law is better than GOD‘s for those who have attained certainty?
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/noframes/ch5.html

The entire drift here is; you are intended to prevail over all other religions for yours alone is the true religion.
It is this aspect that the Khudai Khidmatgar must concentrate on,… reforming untrue belief.
They have burdened themselves with superficial work.
They make statements quite contrary to the the spirit of Koran, perhaps deliberately.
“Faisal khan expressed his deep sorrow over the killings of innocent people in Pakistan. He further added that the Terrorism is not pertinent to any particular religion or community but comes from the brainwashing of some people by the power hungry men. He also said that the best way to be secure from the menace of terrorism is to spread love and brotherhood in the society.”

It is evident that terrorism flows directly from the teaching of the Koran.
[5:51] O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.


Faisal must concentrate on the essential.
The essential is reform of Islam.
That is the way to spread love and brotherhood.

Gulati

There are two basic tracts of facts. There are physical facts and psychological facts.

You are accounting only for the physical in saying: Essence (What You Are) is known by What You Do to support the fact of Existence.
Man’s Existence demands verification also of the basis of his psychology.
You are not dealing with psychology at all.
Your statement cannot be said to be philosophical statement since it limps on one side.
You are relating only one side.

The concept of essence, what is it?
What is essential.
What is ultimate?
You cannot find it without totality.

You start your search with an assumption:

Man’s Essence demands verification of the basis of his Existence.
And existence you assume to be physical.

Even “there is essence” is an assumption.
In short you are being incorrigible.
You are saying your thinking cannot be bettered.

You are being arbitrary.

The argument lacks rationality.
You are not asking the question “what is reason for life”.

Sri Aurobindo, The Life Divine – Chapters 1 to 7, 21-26 April 2008 Part 2

Sri Aurobindo, The Life Divine – Chapters 1 to 7, 21-26 April 2008 Part 2 Sri Aurobindo’s, Life Divine

Gulati

On Sunday, 5 March 2017 8:55 PM, R.Rudranarasimham wrote:

Spirituality Science – Essence and Existence – Chidambara Rahasyam

SPIRITUALITY SCIENCE – ESSENCE AND EXISTENCE – CHIDAMBARA RAHASYAM Chidambara Rahasyam – The Great Mystery of Chidambaram.The distinction between Essence(What you are) and Existence(What you do) is important. Brahman is the name in which both Existence a…

The view shared is not consistent with reality as the concept of has no correspondence with the fact of thing that exists. Essence (What You Are) is known by What You Do to support the fact of Existence.

Man’s Essence demands verification of the basis of his Existence. If man leads terrestrial existence, man cannot have universal existence. The issue of man’s Constitution and Essence has to be verified by study of Regulative mechanisms that operate man’s physical existence in earthly domain.

My Unit Commander, Lieutenant Colonel B K Narayan performed Hajj without accepting religious conversion. He served in the Regiment of Artillery but conducted an Infantry style assault on Enemy during 1971 War. He conducted Friday Worship Service for the entire Muslim community of Kaptai officiating as the Priest. He worked in JNU teaching Arabic Language and later served in Bahrain as Official Translator for their Department of National Archives. While he served in Egypt, both President Nasser and President Sadat treated him as their personal friend and valued his Islamic Scholarship.

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada
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From: Devinder singh Gulati

One of the best ways of understanding the Transcendental is to understand the concept of essence. One of the examples given to understand the word essence is: gold is the same in this ornament or that ornament; the two ornaments differ from each other not in the goldness but in the form of the ornaments. There is a distinction between the essence of the ornament and the form of the ornament. Even if in the ornament the forms are broken the gold remains, just as when a pot may be broken, the form may be broken but the clay remains. So the Transcendental is that which is the essence, which always remains what it is, which may take many forms but which is not depending upon the forms. If you examine the question of forms, you will find that forms are spread out, all forms have some kind of special extension and they are spread out. The pot has a certain size, certain shape, it is spread out and the highest spacing out is the entire space. The whole of space, the whole of time, the totality of space and time is what is called Universal. The Transcendental is the essence and the Universal is the totality of space and time. Any particular form in space and time is called a particular. Any particular formation, for example, my golden ornaments, all of them are particular.

Now Islamic theology has it that man can never get to the essence of his creation. That is also the preceding Christian position that was known to the writer of the Koran. [The Jewish position in the Torah remains indeterminate].

The Vedic position is that each one of us was at one time in this particular state. In the highest condition the individual is free, the individual is one with the Supreme, he is aware of his oneness with the Supreme, he is aware of his universality.That it is possible to get back to our original condition.

So who would be the receiver of Divine Truth best in a position to make an undistorted transcription?
The one who has universalised his mind. In Islam the individual is always limited, That means he cannot universalize himself.

In the Veda [and in Gurbani] there is a special kind of formation �”� which you call individual [soul]. The speciality of the individual formation is that it is of the nature of a centration. There is a difference between particularisation and centration. You take any particular form, each particular form excludes the other form and every particular form has a certain limit, a boundary. But a centration is a centre whose circumference is everywhere, in other words whose circumference can shift, it is not especially exclusive. It is a centre of a very special nature, it is a centre in which the Transcendental is fully present and whose boundaries are so flexible that they can go on expanding and they can fill the whole of the universe. So every individual has this great capacity to become Universal. In fact one of the great messages of the highest wisdom is: “be wide, be Universal”. You can be Universal only if you are capable of universality and this would mean that whatever limitations you have are flexible. This is not true of the particulars. Of each particular object there is a limitation; the moment you expand it, that form breaks down, it no more remains. In the case of the individual this breaking down does not happen, you can expand, become as wide as the whole universe and yet you remain a centre. In the individual there is a centration and there is a circumference which is so flexible that it can become as wide as the universe. This individual is a very special kind of formation of the Transcendent himself, you might say the special power of the Supreme, of the Transcendental in which the whole of the Supreme is present in a centre and because of that reason, while it is a centre it is also as Supreme as the Supreme and can become as wide as the Universal, and yet can remain the centre. It is a very special kind of a centration. Such is the true nature of the individual.
Sri Aurobindo, The Life Divine, The Triple Transformation – Individual, Universal and Transcendental by Kireet Joshi

Sri Aurobindo, The Life Divine, The Triple Transformation – Individual, Uni…

Gulati

On Friday, 3 March 2017 9:17 AM, Devinder Singh Gulati wrote:

>>> Aristotle declares, “All men may not have the same speech sounds, but the mental experiences which these directly symbolize, are the same for all.” <<<

>>> The issue of Truth and Divine Revelation has to be examined in the context of Language used for describing it. <<<

>>> We don’t know the Language in which God may have instructed Adam and Eve. [They did not know any] <<<

>>> In my analysis, God does not use any of the known Human Languages to instruct Man or other Living Beings. <<<

>>> However, it must be noted that painting pictures on the walls of caves or on the rocks may not fall in the category of writing. <<<

Painting is outcome of seeing, language of hearing.

THE ORIGIN OF LANGUAGE: Maya tribes of Central America developed an original, ideographic system of writing with which they recorded chronology, astronomy, history, and religion.

Ancient languages like Sanskrit developed alphabet where one letter symbolizes one phoneme or a significant sound. The major non-alphabetic forms of writing are Chinese, in which each character represents a word or concept, and Japanese, in which each character represents a syllable. It appears that writing arose independently in different parts of the world. Seven original systems of writing that can be recognized are, 1. Sumerian in Mesopotamia, 3100 B.C. to A.D. 75, 2. Proto-Elamite in Elam, 3000 B.C. to A.D. 400, 3. Egyptian in Egypt, 3000 B.C. to A.D. 400, 4. Proto-Indic in the Indus Valley around 2200 B.C., 5. Cretan in Crete and Greece, 2000 to 1200 B.C., 6. Chinese in China, 1300 B.C. to the present, and 7. Hittite in Anatolia and Syria, 1500 B.C. to 700 B.C. The original, ideographic, writing system of Maya tribes of Central America developed independently in their Pre-Classic Period( 1500 B.C. ? – A.D. 300).

THE ORIGIN OF LANGUAGE: Egyptian Hieroglyphic(Greek=Priestly writing) type of writing were already perfected in the first dynasty 3110 – 2884 B.C.

THE ORIGIN OF LANGUAGE: Proto-Indic in the Indus Valley, c. 2500 – c. 1500 B.C. flourished along the Indus River

The prophet of the Koran heard something. [He also saw Jibreel]

Was it in speech?

Moses saw and heard. Did he hear in Hebrew?

Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. 3 So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
4 When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”
And Moses said, “Here I am.”
5 “Do not come any closer,” God said. “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.” 6 Then he said, “I am the God of your father,a]”>[a] the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.
7 The Lord said, “I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering. 8 So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey—the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. 9 And now the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have seen the way the Egyptians are oppressing them. 10 So now, go. I am sending you to Pharaoh to bring my people the Israelites out of Egypt.”
11 But Moses said to God, “Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and bring the Israelites out of Egypt?”
12 And God said, “I will be with you. And this will be the sign to you that it is I who have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, youb]”>[b] will worship God on this mountain.”
13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”
14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.c]”>[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”
15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord,d]”>[d] the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
“This is my name forever,
the name you shall call me
from generation to generation.

16 “Go, assemble the elders of Israel and say to them, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—appeared to me and said: I have watched over you and have seen what has been done to you in Egypt. 17 And I have promised to bring you up out of your misery in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—a land flowing with milk and honey.’
18 “The elders of Israel will listen to you. Then you and the elders are to go to the king of Egypt and say to him, ‘The Lord, the God of the Hebrews, has met with us. Let us take a three-day journey into the wilderness to offer sacrifices to the Lord our God.’ 19 But I know that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless a mighty hand compels him. 20 So I will stretch out my hand and strike the Egyptians with all the wonders that I will perform among them. After that, he will let you go.
21 “And I will make the Egyptians favorably disposed toward this people, so that when you leave you will not go empty-handed. 22 Every woman is to ask her neighbor and any woman living in her house for articles of silver and gold and for clothing, which you will put on your sons and daughters. And so you will plunder the Egyptians.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+3

If God instructs intuitively and the receiving prophet transcribes it in a language known to him, does he transcribe with a colouring of his own. What was his psychological condition when Muhammad received his instruction which he transcribed thus:

[48:28] He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, to make it prevail over all other religions. GOD suffices as a witness.

Obviously he was not looking for transcendence. That would go against his belief that man cannot equal God.
He was trying to understand. But he was not beyond belonging and esteem.

So when intuitive knowledge came, he gave his own colouring to it.
A man entirely beyond the esteem need would give a different colour to the same intuitive knowledge.

WHAT IS LANGUAGE?

On bhavanajagat.com

Language is a new phenomenon of Anatomically Modern Man identified by Science as Homo sapiens sapiens. The issue of Truth and Divine Revelation has to be examined in the context of Language used for describing it.

Most Muslims with whom I worked, do not read or write Arabic Language, the Language of Quran. Rather, they follow the traditions or customs associated with religion like praying five times facing in the direction of Mecca.

On wholedude.com

We don’t know the Language in which God may have instructed Adam and Eve. Angels have spoken to Prophet Abraham and Moses, and they may have spoken in Hebrew Language which majority of Christians don’t understand. Many Biblical scholars think that Jesus used a local dialect whereas Bible is mostly written in Hebrew, Greek, and some Latin.

On bhavanajagat.com

In my analysis, God does not use any of the known Human Languages to instruct Man or other Living Beings. As such Life exists without using Faculty of Human Language. Living Cells communicate with each other using Chemical Molecules as Messengers.

Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada
Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA
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From: Devinder Singh Gulati

Faisal will not communicate. That is standard operating procedure. He finds it impossible to defend the Quran. So he will not venture to explain. But the Quran can be read by anyone online. Here is what Sura 48 says:

[48:28] He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, to make it prevail over all other religions. GOD suffices as a witness.*

[48:29] Muhammad – the messenger of GOD – and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, as they seek GOD’s blessings and approval. Their marks are on their faces, because of prostrating. This is the same example as in the Torah. Their example in the Gospel is like plants that grow taller and stronger, and please the farmers. He thus enrages the disbelievers. GOD promises those among them who believe, and lead a righteous life, forgiveness and a great recompense.

Sura 48, Victory (Al-Fatt-h) Quran The Final Testament, translated by Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.

Sura 48, Victory (Al-Fatt-h) Quran The Final Testament, translated by Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D. Sura 48, Victory (Al-Fatt-h) Quran The Final Testament, translated by Rashad Khalifa, Ph.D.

Many non-Muslims, simply assume without examination that the Koran, since it is a religious book, must teach peace, love, brotherhood, and compassion.
What does the Koran think of infidels and what does it teach for Muslims to do to them? Why?
Spencer: In the Koran the Infidels (kuffar) are, simply, those who reject Islam. They are those who do not believe in Muhammad’s message: they “treat it as a falsehood that they must meet Allah” (6:31) and “believe not in the Hereafter” (16:60). They “have bartered guidance for error” (2:16). They even dare to mock Muhammad in his proclamation of Islam. Allah tells his prophet, “When ye proclaim your call to prayer they take it (but) as mockery and sport; that is because they are a people without understanding” (5:58).
The Infidels are those who have made themselves enemies “to Allah, and His angels and His messengers, and Gabriel and Michael.” Allah himself, in turn, “is an enemy to the disbelievers” (2:98). And Satan and his minions are their friends: “Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not” (7:27). They are also, naturally enough, the enemies of the Muslims. Allah gives permission to the believers to shorten their prayers while traveling “for fear the unbelievers may attack you: for the unbelievers are unto you open enemies” (4:101).
Who specifically are Infidels? First there are polytheists (mushrikun), whom Allah particularly disdains for committing the cardinal sin of shirk – associating partners with Allah (2:105, 3:95, and many other passages identify the polytheists as apart from and opposed to Islam’s central monotheism).
There are also People of the Book – mostly Jews and Christians. Islamic apologists argue that Islam does not consider them Infidels, since the Koran never specifically identifies them as such. The Koran, they further note, speaks of the “unbelievers among the People of the Book” (59:2), implying that at least some People of the Book were believers, and therefore were not Infidels.
But who comprised this group among the People of the Book that the Koran identifies as believers? They were Jews and Christians who distinguished themselves by “believing” in one thing: that the Biblical prophets, as well as Jesus, preached Islam and anticipated Muhammad’s arrival — and thus they became Muslims when they heard about Islam. In other words, they were proto-Muslims who recognized that the true teachings of Moses and Jesus were identical to Muhammad’s teachings. Any Jews and Christians who rejected this idea and stayed true to their own religions were “unbelievers among the People of the Book” – and therefore Infidels.
The Koran consistently assumes that the Infidels are not people who have come to a good faith decision that Islam is false – neither the Koran nor Islamic tradition allows for the existence of such people. The Koran declares that “the Religion before Allah is Islam,” and that the People of the Book reject it only because of “envy of each other” (3:19). The Jews and Christians, says Maulana Bulandshahri, a twentieth-century Islamic scholar, recognized Muhammad “to be the final Prophet but their obstinate nature prevented them from accepting.”
Muslims have the responsibility to fight the Infidels (4:89, 2:191, 9:5) and subjugate the People of the Book under the rule of Islamic law (9:29).
The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran – by Jamie Glazov

The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran – by Jamie Glazov Robert Spencer’s new book delivers a chilling warning call.

“The religion in the sight of God is Islam (Submission to God)” 3:19

On first impression, many who read the above statement will immediately say: Hold on! What about Judaism and Christianity? After all, these religions were also authorised by God!

So what does the believer say? All religions have been corrupted but Islam the final religion is beyond corruption:

Essentially, if there is only one religion decreed by God there must be One ‘truth’. Do we then conclude that there should be one revelation? The answer to this question is that ‘truth’ and ‘revelation’ are not absolutely equivalent terms. Because ‘truth’ is an absolute term it is situated independent of form, whereas revelations are relative to time, people and place, and thus require a form, but to speak of form is to speak of diversity and thus plurality.

The need for different revelations at different times and for different people is justified by means of the following:

1- Mankind has gone through enormous developments through the ages, physically, mentally and spiritually, and thus there was always the need for various revelations at different times for different peoples. Although various revelations are united in message and truth, we find that God never addresses identical revelations to peoples of different eras. This being so, it can be said that diverse revelations do not, and should not contradict one another, for although they differ in form, the religion decreed in all of them, which is Islam (Submission to God), is one and the same.

2- If there appears any apparent contradiction between different revelations, they are in human receptacles and not in the divine message. This is as a result of human inability to interpret such revelations and also due to the failure to preserve the ‘truth’ contained in the revelation, which always tends to be impaired and altered with the passing of time.

Ultimately, the apparent contradiction is no more than one between corrupt scripts as well as the interpretations of the original revelations, and not between the original revelations themselves.
Inevitably, and through corruption in the transfer and application of a Scripture, together with the social and cultural factors that always widen the gap between factions, we are left with a multitude of corrupt religions. These sub-religions in many ways hardly bare any resemblance to the original religion decreed by God.

For that, there becomes a necessity for mankind to receive another revelation that puts them back on track with God’s law which has been badly corrupted.

3- We find that up until the advent of the industrial revolution and the fast travel era, the world was still just a wide expanse of disjointed lands and peoples.
Many people would not have even heard of those Scriptures that had already been revealed in various other parts of the world. This is why a new Scripture would be revealed to new communities who had not received a Scripture.

However, after the revelation of the Quran, there became no need for any further revelations. Not because the message of the Quran is any different from the message of the Torah or the Gospel, but because of the following reasons:

a- A divine promise has been endorsed in the Quran that it will not be corrupted like previous Scriptures. As a result, if the message remains intact in one Scripture, there becomes no need for further revelations.
b- With the advent of the modern fast travel means of today, the whole world became a closer knit unit. People do not have to travel to hear or receive information, as it can be received through the numerous media channels that were not available a few centuries ago.
True Islam – Introduction to Islam

True Islam – Introduction to Islam True Islam is derived from the Quran and not from the traditions or cultures of Muslim people

Gulati

On Wednesday, 1 March 2017 7:21 PM, Santhanagopalan P.T. wrote:

Refer to Gulati”s quotes from the Quran, I do not dispute their veracity, though I am no scholar of the Quran. I would like to know how Muslims in Tamilnadu integrated beautifully with the Hindus,with one of them being a scholar in the Tamil version of the Ramayana (Kamba Ramayana, the scholar being Justice M.M.Ismail).Most followers of any religion are not well-versed in their Holy Books. By and large,they just feel that their religion teaches them to be just and humane. Quoting specifics, without getting a feel of the whole,can only lead to tension.I can quote from the Purusha Sookta: “Brahmins are born from the face of the Lord,Kshatriyas from the arms, vaishyas from the thighs and shudras from the feet.” Is this just a prejudice of the Vedic religion or is there more to it? I understand it in the light of the Bhagavat Gita, in which Krishna says that the four varnas are based upon the characteristics (Gunas) and the functions (karma) allotted to them.If Islam were that bad, one would find it hard to explain the Sufi phenomenon.
Communication can be tried. No harm done.

From: Devinder Singh Gulati

Please explain sura 3


[3:18] GOD bears witness that there is no god except He, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.

[3:19] The only religion approved by GOD is “Submission” [Islam]. For rejectors of GOD’s revelations, GOD is most strict in reckoning.



[3:28] The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD

[3:32] Proclaim: “You shall obey GOD and the messenger.” If they turn away, GOD does not love the disbelievers.

[3:73] “And do not believe except as those who follow your religion.” Say, “The true guidance is GOD’s guidance.”

[3:85] Anyone who accepts other than Submission [Islam] as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter


[3:110] You are the best community ever raised among the people: you advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and you believe in GOD. If the followers of the scripture believed, it would be better for them. Some of them do believe, but the majority of them are wicked.

[3:112] They shall be humiliated whenever you encounter them, unless they uphold GOD’s covenant, as well as their peace covenants with you. They have incurred wrath from GOD, and, consequently, they are committed to disgrace. This is because they rejected GOD’s revelations, and killed the prophets unjustly. This is because they disobeyed and transgressed.

[3:118] O you who believe, do not befriend outsiders who never cease to wish you harm; they even wish to see you suffer. Hatred flows out of their mouths and what they hide in their chests is far worse. We thus clarify the revelations for you, if you understand.


[3:119] Here you are loving them, while they do not love you, and you believe in all the scripture. When they meet you they say, “We believe,” but as soon as they leave, they bite their fingers out of rage towards you.

[3:149] O you who believe, if you obey those who disbelieve, they will turn you back on your heels, then you end up losers.



http://godsmosque.org/html/quran/sura3.html


With such belief can anyone be at peace with others?

Gulati

On Mon, 02/27/17, Faisal Khan wrote:

The Peace March started form Sabarmati Ashram
and completed at Jagannath Mandir. In this peace march
different people of different places of the country
participated. senior Gandhian Amrit Modi started the march
after a peace prayer in Sabarmati Ashram. On this occasion
Khudai khidmatgar national convener Faisal Khan said,
“on the 127th Birthday
of the founder of Khudai Khidmatgar”, “there could
be no better tribute that we spread his message of love and
trust among people and convince them the real purpose of
religion that is peace. He further said
“we
have decided to start the March from Sabarmati Ashram
because from here Mahatma Gandhi rose with call for peace
and brotherhood”. He also said “We
will march for around 7 kms to Shri Jagannath Mandir in
Jamalpur. Because It was the Mandir from where Khan Abdul
Ghaffar khan fought against the menace of communalism when
the town was on fire in 1969 and created example of
peace. He also said that these days in the
name of religion and community there is a lot of hate
mongering, this has created mistrust and distanced us from
each other. Due to these activities lack of vision and the
worst affected are those at the bottom of the
pyramid. The very soul of religion is
wounded.

Lok Samiti leader Neeta Mahadev said
“the purpose of
religion to promote humanity and the ideals of morality,
honesty, friendship, compassion and service among its
followers. Khudai Khidmatgar a s an organisation with
the ideology of promoting humanity and peace among all in
the society”.

Vijay Tripathi
IIT Ahmedabad said that the need of the
hour is that the core idea of religion should be propagated
among more and more people. Mahatma Gandhi believed that
“all religions are branches of the same
tree.”

Khudai
Khidmatgars Vijay Deshpande from
Maharshtra, Hasnian
Beg from
Delhi, Balwant
Yadav from
Haryana and Shabbir
Hussain from Jammu and
Kashmir, Dheemnat Badhia
from Imam Manzil,
Khudai Khidmatgar Gujrat volunteers Ila ben, Sarfarz
Mansoori ,Kaleem Khan, Kayyoom Khan, Ahmedbad Eid Meeladun
Nabi committee’s president Shaikh Hussain, Gujrat
Vidyapeeth studenst Hardik Rawal and hundreds of students,
activists, Gandhian participated . youth participated with
enthusiasm and distributed thousands pamphlets of peace and
harmony in the way at Kocharb ashram, Jagannath Mandir. and
Basant -Rajab smarak . Public meetings was also held at
sabarmati , kochrab ashram , income tax chauraha , jamalpur
modh and Basant -Rajab
smarak . At the end
of Peace March large meeting was held and people of all
community more then 200 people had had lunch at Jagannath
Mandir with which the march concluded successfully.
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Route of the March was – Vadan Circle-Income Tax – Kochrab Ashram,
-Sardar Brij-Phool Mandir – Gaikwad Haveli -Vasant Rao-Rajab Samrak- Jamalpur, Shree Jagannath Mandir.

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